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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-964</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-963&quot;&gt;angus&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m pretty sure you didn&#039;t read the post. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-963">angus</a>.</p>
<p>I&#039;m pretty sure you didn&#039;t read the post. </p>
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		By: angus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[angus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;This could range from things like coquettishness to the traditionally female role of objectification of males based on physical attributes. In fact, we have seen a rise in male propensity to make mating judgments based on physical characteristics &#8211; much to the objection of women.&#034;

I&#039;m sorry but choosing based on physical attributes has been a traditionally male role for thousands of years. Since the introduction of wife as property.
Empires kidnapped the women they found attractive and of child bearing age, men chose less hairy females with characteristics that indicated fertility.
You are forgetting rape is a BIG part of our evolution.
And women, have menses that they cannot control and don&#039;t posses signals like other species to indicate when they are ovulating.

In ancient Rome women of low intellect were preferred because the lower the intellect the the higher the number of children they would give birth to, for example.
And the women were owned by there fathers.
That is why women are considerably less hairy than men. If the women were the ones who chose we would have way bigger men in comparison to women.

Also, there is no indication that we ever had a matriarchal society.
So i would say the reversal you are talking about is women becoming choosier for the last 100 years or so. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;This could range from things like coquettishness to the traditionally female role of objectification of males based on physical attributes. In fact, we have seen a rise in male propensity to make mating judgments based on physical characteristics &ndash; much to the objection of women.&quot;</p>
<p>I&#039;m sorry but choosing based on physical attributes has been a traditionally male role for thousands of years. Since the introduction of wife as property.<br />
Empires kidnapped the women they found attractive and of child bearing age, men chose less hairy females with characteristics that indicated fertility.<br />
You are forgetting rape is a BIG part of our evolution.<br />
And women, have menses that they cannot control and don&#039;t posses signals like other species to indicate when they are ovulating.</p>
<p>In ancient Rome women of low intellect were preferred because the lower the intellect the the higher the number of children they would give birth to, for example.<br />
And the women were owned by there fathers.<br />
That is why women are considerably less hairy than men. If the women were the ones who chose we would have way bigger men in comparison to women.</p>
<p>Also, there is no indication that we ever had a matriarchal society.<br />
So i would say the reversal you are talking about is women becoming choosier for the last 100 years or so. </p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-962</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-956&quot;&gt;PettyBetty&lt;/a&gt;.

This analysis isn&#039;t necessarily wrong, but it puts a little too much weight on choosing one strategy or the other in terms of optimization. The optimal answer is... both, simultaneously. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-956">PettyBetty</a>.</p>
<p>This analysis isn&#039;t necessarily wrong, but it puts a little too much weight on choosing one strategy or the other in terms of optimization. The optimal answer is&#8230; both, simultaneously. </p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-961</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-958&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

&#034;&lt;i&gt;Since when is it a traditionally &#034;female&#034; role to objectify men based on physical attributes?&lt;/i&gt;&#034;

Objectification isn&#039;t the scientific term of course, but females use physical cues in female mate choice across species, &lt;a href=&quot;http://evolvify.com/male-physical-attractiveness-to-women/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;humans in particular&lt;/a&gt;.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-958">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>&quot;<i>Since when is it a traditionally &quot;female&quot; role to objectify men based on physical attributes?</i>&quot;</p>
<p>Objectification isn&#039;t the scientific term of course, but females use physical cues in female mate choice across species, <a href="http://evolvify.com/male-physical-attractiveness-to-women/" rel="nofollow">humans in particular</a>.  </p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-960</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-959&quot;&gt;Jamie&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve read it. I&#039;m not sure that it has anything to add in reference this post per se. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-959">Jamie</a>.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve read it. I&#039;m not sure that it has anything to add in reference this post per se. </p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 04:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check out the book The Game, or google &#034;pick up artist&#034; (PUA). There is a men&#039;s movement or community that aims to gain skill in courting, but the unspoken reason of it is essentially the purpose of &#039;role reversal&#039; in mating. A man well skilled in courting will ultimately have more decision power in the mating process as opposed to the current model for males to court and &#039;hope&#039; to be selected by a suitable female.    ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the book The Game, or google &quot;pick up artist&quot; (PUA). There is a men&#039;s movement or community that aims to gain skill in courting, but the unspoken reason of it is essentially the purpose of &#039;role reversal&#039; in mating. A man well skilled in courting will ultimately have more decision power in the mating process as opposed to the current model for males to court and &#039;hope&#039; to be selected by a suitable female.    </p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-958</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Andrew--  you wrote: &quot;This could range from things like coquettishness to the traditionally female role of objectification of males based on physical attributes. In fact, we have seen a rise in male propensity to make mating judgments based on physical characteristics – much to the objection of women.&quot;

I think I&#039;m missing something.  Since when is it a traditionally &quot;female&quot; role to objectify men based on physical attributes?  It has been my understanding that both males and females use physical markers as indicators of the ability to produce healthy offspring.  Moreover, these days we do see that men make mating judgments based on physical characteristics, but according to which data or hypothesis can we infer this is an increase compared to the past?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew&#8211;  you wrote: &#8220;This could range from things like coquettishness to the traditionally female role of objectification of males based on physical attributes. In fact, we have seen a rise in male propensity to make mating judgments based on physical characteristics – much to the objection of women.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m missing something.  Since when is it a traditionally &#8220;female&#8221; role to objectify men based on physical attributes?  It has been my understanding that both males and females use physical markers as indicators of the ability to produce healthy offspring.  Moreover, these days we do see that men make mating judgments based on physical characteristics, but according to which data or hypothesis can we infer this is an increase compared to the past?</p>
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		By: southbaltimorecf		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-957</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-942&quot;&gt;David Csonka&lt;/a&gt;.

I have been saying for a very long time, that many problems would be solved if we:

-Perfected vasectomy reversal
-Mandated vasectomy at birth
-You would go to a clinic, post 18 (or earlier with parental consent), and at no cost to you, sign an acknowledgment that you are &#034;loading the tubes&#034; and get the reversal

Of course, this would likely cause a few problems as well, such as rampant promiscuity.  That is, of course, until the great homeostasis was restored by the evolution of yet more sinister forms of STD. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-942">David Csonka</a>.</p>
<p>I have been saying for a very long time, that many problems would be solved if we:</p>
<p>-Perfected vasectomy reversal<br />
-Mandated vasectomy at birth<br />
-You would go to a clinic, post 18 (or earlier with parental consent), and at no cost to you, sign an acknowledgment that you are &quot;loading the tubes&quot; and get the reversal</p>
<p>Of course, this would likely cause a few problems as well, such as rampant promiscuity.  That is, of course, until the great homeostasis was restored by the evolution of yet more sinister forms of STD. </p>
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		By: PettyBetty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PettyBetty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seeing as how it&#039;s extremely unlikely that any one woman becomes pregnant from a single sexual encounter, wouldn&#039;t it have also made sense for ancient man to lay claim to only as many women as he could have sex with regularly enough to ensure pregnancy? I don&#039;t really understand the logic of the &#034;men evolved to have sex with anything that moved&#034; theory. That would involve a huge expenditure of energy going from woman to woman in a time when most energy was devoted to finding food and there was no transportation, and it wouldn&#039;t even be a very effective way of producing children! Seems to me evolution would not only favor men who expended a ton of energy being promiscuous but also men who picked one woman and hung around long enough to sleep with her while she was fertile. Social niceties like having someone warm to cuddle with through long cold nights on the Savannah also seem like they would have favored pair-bonding instincts...  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as how it&#039;s extremely unlikely that any one woman becomes pregnant from a single sexual encounter, wouldn&#039;t it have also made sense for ancient man to lay claim to only as many women as he could have sex with regularly enough to ensure pregnancy? I don&#039;t really understand the logic of the &quot;men evolved to have sex with anything that moved&quot; theory. That would involve a huge expenditure of energy going from woman to woman in a time when most energy was devoted to finding food and there was no transportation, and it wouldn&#039;t even be a very effective way of producing children! Seems to me evolution would not only favor men who expended a ton of energy being promiscuous but also men who picked one woman and hung around long enough to sleep with her while she was fertile. Social niceties like having someone warm to cuddle with through long cold nights on the Savannah also seem like they would have favored pair-bonding instincts&#8230;  </p>
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		By: Victoria		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-954&quot;&gt;Emily&lt;/a&gt;.

When ever I think about the Victorian era I remember one of my favorite college profs (taught a Darwin class and a Darwinisms class, actually) who described that as the prudish era when women&#039;s sexuality decayed to &#039;Lie back and think of England&#039;.  I just looked it up, and it would be great (and terrible, really), if the source of the line &#039;lie back and think of England&#039; is the following: I am happy now that George calls on my bedchamber less frequently than of old. As it is, I now endure but two calls a week, and when I hear his steps outside my door I lie down on my bed, close my eyes, open my legs, and think of England. (From Wikipedia &lt;a href=&quot;http://:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_back_and_think_of_England&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_back_and_think_of_England&lt;/a&gt; ) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/sexual-selection-rise-of-male-choosiness#comment-954">Emily</a>.</p>
<p>When ever I think about the Victorian era I remember one of my favorite college profs (taught a Darwin class and a Darwinisms class, actually) who described that as the prudish era when women&#039;s sexuality decayed to &#039;Lie back and think of England&#039;.  I just looked it up, and it would be great (and terrible, really), if the source of the line &#039;lie back and think of England&#039; is the following: I am happy now that George calls on my bedchamber less frequently than of old. As it is, I now endure but two calls a week, and when I hear his steps outside my door I lie down on my bed, close my eyes, open my legs, and think of England. (From Wikipedia <a href="http://:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_back_and_think_of_England" rel="nofollow">:</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_back_and_think_of_England" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_back_and_think_of_England</a> ) </p>
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